Friday, August 26, 2005

Drupal vs Xoops, a personal battle.

Okay, it's official. After finding myself more and more dissatisfied with Drupal, I'm going ahead and installing Xoops. Not, I hasten to add, as a replacement for a Drupal blog. The Drupal blog is somewhat on hold, while I discuss it with a friend; in the meantime I've decided to set up yet another one. And rather than leverage my knowledge of Drupal so far, I've decided to explore Xoops.

Is this wise? To be honest, I'm not entirely sure... But it's another learning experience (yet another). It's all Fantastico's fault. Fantastico encourages you to be blasé about such things. I've already done another Wordpress installation and some playing with it today, just to remind myself of the look and feel of it. I'll do Xoops the same way, and think some more about what I'm commiting myself to - but the flip side is, what have I already committed to, by leaping into Drupal?

So what's wrong with Drupal? Well, number one has got to be the forums. They simply don't feel like forums, to an extent which I believe would utterly confuse the average user - you can't just throw away look and feel like that. It's as if someone replaced the metaphor of files and folders with, er.... I can't think of an alternative. See how deeply ingrained it is... (and to completely distance myself from the subject - try asking a computer-literate young non-English speaker if they know the word for those dusty old cardboard covers full of pieces of paper... ) Number two is the callous way they treat all content in the same way, whether it's a Quote that obviously has one purpose in life, to sit in a sidebar; or a 5,000 word article that deserves an ensuing discussion. Er, not that I've written any 5,000 word articles (yet)... All "comments" are treated the same too, hence forums looking absurd - they are just a collection of comments to an initial piece of content.

Aaaaaargh - screeching halt on the Xoops project - apparently it doesn't actually have search engine friendly URLs. Talk about forgetting the basics. Another absurdity is that the Download page offers a load of different versions up to 2.2, but it turns out that no one's built any modules or themes for it, and the real current version is still 2.0.13. Right, time to overcome my grudges at Drupal and plunge into editing themes to reduce the above problems....

Update: and it seems that someone already did 95% of the work for me. This article explains (and provides code) how to make Drupal's forums look like proper forums. It limits me to phpTemplate-based themes, which is fine because I prefer them.

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